Late Boomers

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Everyone has a story, and we'll take you along for the ride on each interview, recounting the journey our guests have taken to get where they are inspiring you to create your own path to success. Let's get started. Hello, I'm Kathy Worthington, welcoming you to our latest episode of Late boomers. Today, our guest is Chris Donaldson, who has a fantastic story to tell us about. He left Belfast in 1979 and has written a motorbike nearly around the world. But he's now going to finish what he started by writing in Australia. Along the way he's written through Africa and South America, and many many other places.

Merry Elkins 1:19
And I Mary Elkins Chris's book is called going the wrong way. We are going to hear from Chris about the many places in Africa and Europe and North and South America that he's written and find out what his next journey will be. He will be accompanied on the next leg by a friend and together they will complete his trip around the world. Welcome, Chris. Can't wait to hear about your life.

Chris Donaldson 1:45
That's me here. That's to me talking to you guys.

Cathy Worthington 1:49
Great to have you coming all the way from Ireland today where it's we're in the afternoon and you're in the evening over there. While we're recording this in Belfast.

Merry Elkins 1:59
Yeah, we're about

Chris Donaldson 2:01
20 years behind as well.

Cathy Worthington 2:05
Okay, well please tell us about your background and how you developed such a strong sense of adventure.

Chris Donaldson 2:13
Well, I guess it's probably part of my growing up I grew up in Belfast in the 70s which was a great time to be in Belfast there was more or less a civil war going on. Everybody's heard about troubles and there was used to go to school and the senator at the time you can see bombs going off was Father's business got blown up several times whenever he got shot up self failing to go into too much trouble but just a bad, bad a bad vibe going on. Of course when you're a kid you don't really notice these things because it's all excitement and adventure and you don't know anything else anyway. But I guess when I go so the teenage years I thought it must be more to life than Belfast so I was determined to get out of town and had a motorbike and I thought the best way to to get to go would be to go on a motorbike for some peculiar reason which is still haven't worked out why but decided to go to Australia.

Cathy Worthington 3:08
Nobody mentioned you were on an island Hmm. I'm on

Chris Donaldson 3:18
the island wasn't too bad. Problems left whenever I didn't get very far before the problem started. I got to London from Belfast, which is about a day's drive. And spent a few days in London since I'm friends and then the Ayatollah decided to take over the American Embassy in Tehran if you remember Parker's days, I think it was November, November 79. So basically, I'd been plowing and drying my roots and making move going on my visas my guidebooks to drive across Europe and across Asia to Australia. And afterwards, two or three years playing left to weaken I couldn't go any further because it was really just blocked. So the choice was either go home which would have been too embarrassing after telling all my friends I was going to Australia or else finding somewhere else to go so decided to go to Africa

Merry Elkins 4:14
he wandered around the world that long ago.

Chris Donaldson 4:18
I guess a sense of adventure as you say I wanted to see I wanted to go to Australia but I wanted to see the rest of the world as well. You know you go to school your geography excited you see all these different places. And I suppose guess maybe growing up in arms are in such a small place. Everything's the same you sort of wanted to see some of them still learn about learn about life, learn about the world world and see, have an adventure of some sort.

Merry Elkins 4:50
Not only did you live on an island, you had to go across a lot of oceans on your motorcycle. That would have been challenging.

Chris Donaldson 4:58
Well, that was the ocean So the easy part that's really difficult part. One the remember I was about 16 I read a motorcycle magazine about a lady who was riding around the world on a motorbike. That was the same motorbike as I attended a PSA that was back in probably 7675 Seems a bit older than me. But I was on a motorbike rally two years ago. And he was talking about it, but this lady had driven around the world on a motorbike and 7576. So the federal constants that actually met the lady who inspired me 40 years before to go off and do my thing. Or two years ago, fortunately passed away this year. Oh, she's a real character.

Cathy Worthington 5:46
I'm glad you got to meet Ursula satiric, please. Yeah,

Chris Donaldson 5:50
she was she wasn't made to do that her trip inspire me all those years ago, you know?

Cathy Worthington 5:56
Uh huh. What's making you want to complete your trip around the world now?

Chris Donaldson 6:02
Finishing an old finishing job needed done, I suppose. wasn't my idea was the wrote the book going the wrong way. But three years ago finished it. Which is another story altogether, because I'm not a was never an academic English expert. It's a very good school. And anyway, we asked. So for me to write a book was quite an achievement. And it's been a best seller and I was in quite a few months. So it's more or less sort of vegan if I can write a book anybody can.

Merry Elkins 6:39
So you say

Chris Donaldson 6:42
so Yeah, a couple of years ago, and one of my friends he also has a motorbike thought, Well, you didn't. You didn't get this true, why not half an hour ago. So it was a challenge I can walk away from. So as luck would have it, I still had my old motorbike magazine today is the first time 40 years ago. So I'm gonna do a selfie. I need to take my old motorbike to get to bring the team back together again, so to speak. So we've got to Australia last year, finally after, after 43 years after Liz leaving home, I'm gonna go to Australia on the motorbike.

Merry Elkins 7:16
Oh, good. Had you been riding? Had you been riding throughout the whole 42 years be set when you weren't going around the world?

Chris Donaldson 7:26
On and Off, sort of. I tend to do things on off basis. I was at the motorbikes when I was a kid certainly and I got into sailing and then I got into cycling and then I got into flying. I've done lots of different things as I've grown older and have got back into motorbikes again. Ah, motorbike had an awful lot of uses, was always sitting in the garage lurking around somewhere, you know,

Merry Elkins 7:53
you've got to be quite the mechanic.

Chris Donaldson 7:56
Well, it's interesting because Liam came with pay and as we started on the way on here, a new modern Moto Z and the old 1975 One and certainly his was more reliable, but whenever something went wrong with his bike, there was nothing we could do to fix it, we had to find a dealer and get the new part for whatever it was. Whereas with my old sort of free digital machine, I think went wrong with it. I could fix it with a spanner driver and a hammer sort of thing you know, some duct tape new stuff, you have something breaks these days this up throw it away, throw it away and buy a new one or else get a computer to fix it. You know? You're

Merry Elkins 8:41
like an old friend. It is yeah, it's

Chris Donaldson 8:46
currently in Australia waiting for me to come back

Merry Elkins 8:51
the world changed since your first adventure I've been dying to ask you that question because from the 1970s to now that's that's a life many lifetimes

Chris Donaldson 9:03
Yeah, I mean some things have changed some things haven't slice of Israel's the same trouble as it was always in the Middle East and still upside down. I was finally able to get through around actually see the the American Embassy is still there. It's all boarded up. Same museum of the Museum of espionage they call it No. Oh,

Unknown Speaker 9:24
they call it that

Chris Donaldson 9:29
so yeah, words. People are just the same people are pretty good. Pretty nice to get to where you go with We almost made things probably made a difference in the world is probably the internet was changed so many things. For traveling, especially, you know the GPS booking.com You could just if you want to know anything about where you want to go, we just Google it. Well, the problems I had in the 70s and 80s was because I plan to go to Asia and And ended up going to in Africa, and South America, North America. I've done no homework on those places. So I didn't know anything about them. So it was really going traveling blind. In fact, at one stage in Sudan, I actually drove off the edge of my map. I didn't know what was the next country at all. The way to buy him up and the next time to see where it was going next. So oh, I didn't I didn't realize that that was a bit of a frustration a bit of a no answer that know where it was going. But after a while, I realized it was part of the beauty of the trip, because it's excitement. It didn't know your country is going to have a civil war enough. Horses love. You got newspaper of a newspaper to written or book was written by the time it gets printed. It's out of date. You know, this is hard for kids to imagine these days. I think everything, all the information you ever need is so so available on your fingertips and I

Cathy Worthington 10:55
can't country count how many countries have you driven through?

Chris Donaldson 11:01
Well, I think it's about 45 or something like probably not as amazing. I gave up 30.

Cathy Worthington 11:12
Oh, well, don't give up because you're still traveling. How have motorcycles how motorcycles changed since your first journey? You touched on that because they're all computerized.

Chris Donaldson 11:25
Yeah. I mean, there's an awful lot better now. And the 1779 I left. You've probably heard of the Paris Dakar race. No, yeah. Tell us rally which started and started by 79 and sort of making off road vehicles popular. Motorcyclists killed nobody tires made them for touring off road and the cars started doing Jeeps can were popular and unsettling. Trendy to have an off road, adventure, motorbike adventure car, sports utility vehicles. And so I was just starting my bike was that old, is what we call a cafe racer, which is made for running around cafes and bars and pressingly, girls and stuff like that wasn't really made for long distance, distance touring, and certainly not for driving over deserts and dirt roads in Africa. The bike seats that are there a lot better. But as I say, whenever something does go wrong.

Cathy Worthington 12:27
Well on that interval, when you when you went to Africa, and then you went to the Americas and wrote in North and South America, how many tires did you go through? Did you have to constantly get new tires?

Chris Donaldson 12:41
Half a dozen, they're not that many really, because you're not. I mean, I've gone through a set of tires and a couple of days in supporting days whenever you'd be driving faster in the countryside. Wow. But when you're touring, you're much easier on the throttle than you would be on your racing around the place. So you don't go through so many tires, when turned on Africa that actually got broken, because they were you're driving across the desert, and that your tires down to about 10 psi. So they've practically flood the job. If you ever hit a rock, and bend your wheel, practice suspension. So been through. So the three sets of tires are certainly. But it was a pretty it was pretty much unsupported which means it was on my own. So that's part of the excitement or worry was if anything had gone wrong, such as something major mechanical breakdown, I would have been down to the trip, as it was work for six months after being a student. So to put 1000 Pine, probably about $5,000 in today's money, which isn't really an awful lot to last for a year and a half traveling around the world. Pretty much hand to mouth, somebody was my main or lockers was my main handicap, probably, you know. And yeah, you

Merry Elkins 14:04
found a lot of welcoming people offering you food and all of that.

Chris Donaldson 14:10
People. People are poor people. So people are terrible. People are any nice, actually, most places you go to a friend who believes to see somebody on their own to travel the world taken on to talk to you, especially in certain areas, because you've been South American prix or somewhere like that people are out of touch with us hard to communicate in those days. So I'd be interested to talk to somebody to actually find out what's going on in the world.

Cathy Worthington 14:37
Mm hmm. Yeah,

Chris Donaldson 14:40
surely pre internet, everything's so much has changed with the Internet. It's definitely changed but people are just as nice, just as friendly. Yeah,

Merry Elkins 14:49
but let's pivot a little bit back to your childhood. You mentioned that when you were a kid, of what was going on in Belfast in the 70s It didn't affect you, but it must have affected you in some way and challenged you to take your journey. How was that? What was it like? Yeah,

Chris Donaldson 15:08
I probably did a beta beta as a sales probably middle class area was reasonably peaceful. But again, my father's farming business got blown up several times. Best friend got shot one stage. So definitely factors whether a good I'd probably say a probably give us a bit of a, give me a bit of a sense of adventure and the bunches, was used to sort of arm placing travel soldiers having checkpoints and that sort of thing, we're under place. Probably maybe a bit more risk, friendly, or less risk adverse, as they should have been the likes of Africa and places like that. It's kind of hard to know, because you, you can't compare yourself to somebody who grew up, because I didn't grow up anywhere else. So you've only got yourself to go by you can't compare what it was like? What am I? What would I have been like if I grew up in London or something like that? I certainly always had a bit of a sense of sense of adventure. You

Merry Elkins 16:10
might be an account of a few scripts.

Chris Donaldson 16:16
Guy just listening?

Merry Elkins 16:19
Of course there are. ride motorcycles, too.

Chris Donaldson 16:25
Of course.

Cathy Worthington 16:27
Why did you want it? Why did you want to be alone on your early journey? And have things changed now that you wanted to journey with a friend instead? But why did you want to be alone?

Chris Donaldson 16:41
I think I wanted to, was certainly a coming of age brought about the story of 60. Or we could realize it was a coming of age affect the story to the journey. But of course, when it was on the journey of itself, I just wanted to I knew I wanted to discover a bit about myself as much as anything else certainly wanted to challenge myself and find out about myself and how I would cope with different things. But also, not also, but as well as it's the best way to travel. Because if you imagine if you go for the night, if you go to the restaurant bar with three or four friends with you, chances are you just stand there and talk to each other all night. Versus if you go up on your own, you've really stand out to conceive it or else you start talking to somebody standing beside is just as a matter of course. So it's much more on the other way is true as well, people will talk to you if you're in a group. But if you're on your own, it's much easier to get talking to people. And one of the reasons you're traveling is to learn about people learn to discover the other cultures and what people are doing and what life is like in a particular place. So you need to talk to people, it's a journey. It's not just about the scenery, it's about the people you meet along the way, you know, that's true. It's hugely beneficial to be on your own to meet people. The trouble is it come obviously, is risk of security wise. And I also think it's nicer to be with somebody else. And very often I ended up traveling with would meet somebody along the way and travelled in the same direction we were going in park company at some stage, which is nice as well.

Merry Elkins 18:27
Did you meet any lifelong friends along the way that you still communicate with? Yeah, well,

Chris Donaldson 18:32
guys don't write letters to each other. Don't do Christmas cards. Generally, we'll do postcards. So you sort of meet people and say see again, and both people lost touch with the PDF face because you're able to contact quite a few people through through Facebook and through the book as well. I've been lucky enough to contact this guy and travel around Israel with a Scottish guy had given me a photo of it give me his name is Jeff from a little village in the West of Scotland. The old schoolhouse until the country or somebody goes cold. And it was over a couple of years ago with my daughter who was in University near and Aberdeen near nearby. So let's go down and see if by chance this guy is still living in the same time in the same house 40 years later. And of course he wasn't Oh, but Scotland being Scotland. I could talk to the person was just the sisters. Oh, I know. There's a guy called Godfrey used to live down there. I said that the guy started called Jeff I don't even have a second name. Yeah, this is Stephanie Godfrey. She said that he's actually got his address. It's about 50 miles up the road. So she gave me his address Throg name, different address. Who knows? Some just some guy had a motorbike. I live in a village in Scotland. So knocked at the door. The old man at the door we didn't recognize it until he smiled and then we smile to recognize the smile. Oh, and this is your crystals so yeah, your your your Jeffrey. This is no Godfrey and they've done a few of this used to be a program called Dad's Army on TV in the UK. And there was a character in UK called Godfrey who is an old fuddy duddy fuddy duddy Oban you would not have wanted to be called Godfrey when he was there. So it's, it's actually changed his name to Jeffrey. Oh, it gave me they gave me the wrong name, but it still tracked him dies.

Merry Elkins 20:40
Good for you. That's the picture right there. But what did you learn about yourself from being alone?

Chris Donaldson 20:52
That's a good question. That someone said I'm fairly fairly resilient compared to a lot of people who can keep going when other people will stop a lot, I suppose. Jeff, he called Fraser to say he's give up in Israel. Ironically, the guy I left with, thus, two years ago, the guy who talked me into going into first place got to Israel, and he decided to come home as well. So it's not for everybody. It's it's quite hard work, right? Like on your own those. Those things can have lots of things wrong. We got to Israel, we couldn't get out. Yes, it would lead us into Jordan. So I had to go back again back to Athens, which meant we had to drive around through Greece, Turkey, and Iran to get to Dubai. Wow. She said the first time I was suddenly 21. So I was able to go away for a year and a half. Nobody missed me from my mother, probably. But this year to this trip, I've got family, I've got a job, so couldn't just disappear for a year and a half for six months. So what we did is we left for two weeks, drove for two weeks, parked a bike up, came home work for two, three months and then flew out again. The note two three weeks and then parked up again. So it was sort of good Australia by by six legs to get took me wounded Megaman. So I suppose there's one thing traveling on your own told me as if there's a problem, there's always a solution to it. That tomorrow will always happen, you know, something's gonna happen. And it's up to you to make it happen. And if you just sit there and you're asked and nothing, nothing will happen. You'll just be sitting there next day. So I'm quite good at responding to getting things moving along and keeping going getting problem solving I suppose. just helped me through the years as well.

Cathy Worthington 22:54
What do you think is the strangest thing that ever happened on your journey?

Chris Donaldson 23:05
Strangest thing, strangest thing is probably and I got to one as Ari's I got, I got ill in Peru with hepatitis, which led me up for a couple of weeks. I rode the bike, you have to read the book to tell your story. Tell you too much. But obviously, I ended up riding the bike pedal distance and then the roads got washed away. So took a train and ended up in Buenos Aires railway station criticize the huge cities maybe 10 million people. Malik way down on the bench and the station was exhausted. And the little did I know that I bet a bunch of students in Peru and Machu Picchu. We took a couple of photographs. And the night before this girl had been showing her friends her photographs and did a slideshow and pointed out to Lisa koehlers Motorbike guy from from the UK and met and basically that was out and we did a believable one of her friends walked past me on the station sold a motorbike sitting there and riding on it right onto your case sitting in a motorbike simply in the station. lose hundreds of people like the guy you're talking about. She came by and I'm still sleeping there. And maybe in the station, so went back to their house and stayed with them. Their mother cooked dinner homes cooked dinners and baby Well yeah. I hadn't met them. I would never got the motorbike Kobato because they got everything sorted out for me. But the weirdest thing where he gets really weird was the guy who was with him Prusa German guy was on a motorbike as well. We Park parted company shortly after that because he was going down to the bottom of South America don't to tear those Lego cars off to Buenos Aires. Right He made it back to Buenos Aires about a month after that I was sitting in the main square when as I was looking around fitting the pigeons whatever and who walked past them but this girl Angela MELHEM bumped into them and vitam back to the house he really gets around for a week as well.

Cathy Worthington 25:18
Angela gets every wow the

Chris Donaldson 25:22
the concerns the first question is Quincy the possibility of having once would be I don't know close into one but for it to happen again. Just just couldn't work I do the statistics are that one

Merry Elkins 25:39
that one of the really most interesting and funny things that have happened to you what's the funniest

Chris Donaldson 25:45
funniest for me was called to be cleaner suppose

Cathy Worthington 25:53
clean ish. Yeah.

Chris Donaldson 25:58
So weird things. So the funny thing was in South America we got

arrested to the side the couldn't get over the border because the coastal border was too late. So we drove back into the fields and can't Oh, next thing is search lights came on and floodlights give on we're surrounded by our armed soldiers would come right beside the army camp looked across and there was a border they are recap Pacific Air. Not only that, but there was a like, a week after that there was a civil war started because Peru, Ecuador have been fighting over this piece of land for 200 years. So we've just basically camped in the middle of the middle of the two to two trenches of warfare.

Cathy Worthington 26:44
Deer

Chris Donaldson 26:46
to instances like that. Oh, is

Merry Elkins 26:48
this all in your book?

Cathy Worthington 26:49
I don't know. I don't know if I call it, honey. Yeah,

Merry Elkins 26:54
I mean, like, ooh. Is this all in your book? I hope so. Tell us about it. It is

Chris Donaldson 26:59
yeah. Yeah. So it's so mean it's motorbike book, it's, it's more of a coming of age book. going the wrong way, we're going the wrong way. That helps me even more by going up to this little lady's little little motorbike people, rather than really enjoyed it. I've been quite overwhelmed. Some of the reviews have been actually quite quite amazing. was one guy said as thanked me for writing the book had been really good to suddenly had scoliosis and his back, he had been having various back surgery. And his son had really enjoyed reading the book to him. Because as I was going through the problems that I was coming up against, he was able to see the problems as someone was coming up against in this surgery and then give him inspired him to hang on a nerd go through the neck surgeries, and the thought was quite touching. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Few hearts and minds along the way, you know?

Cathy Worthington 28:04
Yeah, that was the right. Like for you on that? Yeah.

Merry Elkins 28:09
What did you do? Sit down? Coin desk?

Cathy Worthington 28:11
Yeah. Did you sit down and write it?

Chris Donaldson 28:17
Took me 43 years to read it.

Merry Elkins 28:18
Because you said if anyone can write a book, if I could write a book anyone can, which is like 43 years, okay.

Chris Donaldson 28:28
Well, I started writing when I was 21, when I came back from the journey, and it was probably written manuscript during the first draft, pretty much. And then when we got made, let's come to Dorset, believe us, but as somebody else has written a book about riding a road motorbike around the world. That's a guy called Ted Simon who left years before me, he actually ended up living in California. And I've met him a couple of times since the early helped, he actually helped me write my command. But he'd been he was about 45. And he did his journey. He was a journalist and a writer writer. Whereas I was 21 year old student. So you can look up two more different books, who he was in the same time since then, places that I was allowed to experiences the Buddha had are completely different from the experiences that somebody had was the age would have had so but yeah, but it was it was nice. It was quite enjoyed. It was hard work learning minimal cerebrum that rewritten and rewritten it. Somebody says you don't write a book you rewrite it you just keep going over and over. proving it every time you write it. Write a letter you read it again and you think it was it didn't mean to say love so you can

Cathy Worthington 29:42
you can relate to that because Mary Mary's working on books. She always right

Merry Elkins 29:51
oh, about every right yeah, yeah.

Chris Donaldson 29:55
Yeah, it's lovely anyway, because it was able to read effectively read my diary is a read but what I was thinking what it was doing when it was 21 when I was was rewriting them when it was 60 Have

Merry Elkins 30:08
you always been able to turn off and diaries while you travel?

Chris Donaldson 30:12
I've kept a few journals that have traveled in a little diary every day, my mum used to do that she's got a room full of diaries. Some are new neural nodes that have kept the old journal and have been traveling with something special. But they had this they had been tended to write a book then. So it's amazing reading the stories that are written and then looking at metal photographs, which I haven't looked up for a while. And it's a little bit like things that I've thought it for Goblin, were able to come back quite sharply, you know, it's like we're scraping paint off base away. It's sort of it was all in there in the end, but it does have to scrape the layers of fogs of, of for deck decades of abuse in my life. So how

Merry Elkins 31:01
did you get all your writing in and you're traveling and you mentioned that you had a business? What were you doing besides?

Chris Donaldson 31:09
We've been since in between times?

Merry Elkins 31:11
Yeah. And between travels? Yeah.

Chris Donaldson 31:15
For two years, I've done a number of businesses. Okay, back in the family businesses retail furniture shop. And I expanded other government shops and Belfast and London and Dublin. And then I got into property have always been a bit of a serial entrepreneur, I suppose you could say. Ladies, gym franchises master franchisor for ladies gym franchise, and then fell out with the banks of the property crash in 2009. ended up living in Dubai, living on a yacht actually, in Dubai for eight years. I run a mobile app company though there. So I've done quite a varied number of careers. A little bit very developing sort of joined up with all marketing, sales and marketing. I yield to them, I suppose.

Merry Elkins 32:08
Yeah. Oh, good.

Cathy Worthington 32:11
Well, Chris, what would you like our listeners to have as a takeaway today?

Chris Donaldson 32:21
Well, yours listeners are probably of a certain age, probably more or less for the appeal.

Cathy Worthington 32:25
Well, we haven't been able to work on our listeners

Merry Elkins 32:33
18 to 90, how's that or 19 Denied.

Chris Donaldson 32:38
But one day when will the reasons is those who wanted to go to Australia finally was prove or to show that I could do what I could do and was 21 November 65. Because if you got your full faculties up, you should be able to, you know as fast as he used to be in order as you have a ton more tired at the end of it. I used to provide a motorbike all day and go party all night after that. Just want to go go to bed with a cup of cocoa and having a good night's sleep, you know I can still do what I did when I was 21 Just a little bit slower. And taking the time off. I think a lot of people want to get into sort of needs for his late 50s and 60s. This is so don't so much they actually stopped doing anything of any significance was really there's no need to do that you can get off your ass and do what you want to do. Just in fact, you should have a bit more money about and a bit more time about than you had when you were 21. So it should be easier in some ways. But I think it's all the main problem was getting all this in the mind is getting the motivation and the inspiration to go into it. Get off, get off your acid to it. Yeah, I was just too.

Merry Elkins 33:56
Perfect. Take away.

Cathy Worthington 33:58
That is it. Yeah. I love it.

Merry Elkins 34:02
Yeah. I'll close out with that one. Thank you, Chris. This has been great. Thank you for taking us on your adventure. And we're gonna have to read your book going the wrong way our audiences going to have to look at it and read it and buy it to our guest today and late boomers has been Chris Donaldson, motorbike superb traveler of the world, and author of going my way, excuse me going the wrong way. An old movie with the right or wrong way, which which you can order on Amazon. His website is Chris Donaldson dot world. And you can reach him on Instagram to at going the wrong way underscore book. So thank you, Chris.

Chris Donaldson 34:47
Thank you very much. Nice to be here.

Cathy Worthington 34:49
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Merry Elkins 35:54
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